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AFlyingCake638 User
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For those of you who live in the United States, what are your opinions on this bill that just went through?
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I also support the poor getting off their asses and earning their keep in this country.

It's not always as easy as that.
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Zagreb11715
I'm not American,and I don't know details of the Bill...but I think it would be similar what we have in Europe,health care for everyone?..if that's the case,I support it...you can't have 30 plus milion people without basic health insurance...
the "bill" did't go through, just in part, mandated. (I hear the term "bill" misused so often, on all levels of government reporting. Does anybody know what a Congressional Bill is without googling it? - even then you'll probably only find half the info - then again, does anybody know anything these days they haven't cooked up on the internet?)
If the Affordable Health Care Act was passed in full, as a bill, then we would not be forced into paying for it, we'll be taxed for it, that fee mandate was removed and replaced with the current tax mandate:
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/28/rushing-to-report-the-health-ruling-and-getting-it-wrong/?ref=healthcarereform
Yes TAXED. Like we're taxed for everything else, rubber tax, plastic tax, beverage tax, license tax, vehicle registration tax, some states have pregnancy tax and male related medication tax...complain about that.
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Zagreb11715
I'm not American,and I don't know details of the Bill...but I think it would be similar what we have in Europe,health care for everyone?..if that's the case,I support it...you can't have 30 plus milion people without basic health insurance...
Don't worry. I'm American and I don't know the details either. Where I now live everyone is to have insurance - that simple. I've since learned however that some are not able to have insurance for different reasons. For some it's a matter of not being able to afford it. Others because they aren't here legally, refugees get lumped into that bracket sometimes until their situations are resolved. In those cases they still receive proper care. Personally I think insurance for all is a good idea. How many reports lately have there been of people with no insurance going to emergency rooms where they receive no help and end up dying...sometimes in the ER? If you ask me one was too many.
I think one thing non-Americans have to consider is the mentality of many Americans. There are so many wefare programs that eat into the average citizens taxes that many are fed up with what they view as another social program. As a nation, America has gone from the help your neighbor thinking to every person for themselves. From accepting responsibility for ones actions to blaming everyone else...and sueing them.
Maybe this ObamaCare thing won't last but eventually America will join the grown up nations and realize that the health of it's citizens is important.
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can someone enlighten me up about obama care? i dont have any idea
Bayfia12213 KAT Elite
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can someone enlighten me up about obama care? i dont have any idea

There is a law recently passed and signed by President Obama that makes a stab at providing some kind of health care for everyone, even those who cannot now afford to pay the high insurance premiums to have it. That is "Obamacare" as it is now called by the Media. Today the U.S. Supreme Court upheld that law, instead of striking it down - thus giving it a chance to do some good "maybe" in our society.
There is a tremendous amount of disagreement and controversy between conservatives and liberals as to the likely efficacy of that law. Nobody wants to spend any personal money on providing for health care for anyone else. But unfortunately, a large majority of us are in such financial difficulties (loss of our jobs, forced into early retirement, etc.) that we cannot continue on indefinitely without something being done about it.
The U.S. health care system is in shambles, costs way too much to justify it's own existance, and depends far too much on insurance premiums to cover it's backside. This kind of thing cannot continue as it is. SOmething has to change... and soon. And THAT is what all this debate is about.

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AFlyingCake638 User
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i don't hear them talking about Obamacare either. think it's time to take people who don't know how bill's and congress work to the back of the shed. do a little research, quit trying to pass off your opinion as fact. i don't receive food stamps, never used any form of government assistance, never collected unemployment. Never had to. How'd you guys get so smart? The internet? lol

Well, since we are on the subject of personal credentials... and who knows what about HealthCare and whose going behind the woodshed...
Let me clarify your mind with one little fact. I know you probably think I am an under-educated yahoo who doesn't know what I'm talking about here... but actually....
I have a Master of Arts in Education, A Bachelor of Science in Business Administration, an Associate of Arts in Journalism... and if I bothered to complete my doctoral thesis, I'd have the Doctorate in Education as well (but I got sick of school by then.)
So.. proceeding on with this... YES.. I am aware the Republican side of the House and Senate beat the heck out of the Health Care Bill so that it was nearly unrecognizable when they finished. And that is why our Democratic President had to sign off on something that was a poor excuse for health care reform. So.. now.. who are we to hold responsible for that mess? The President? The Democrats? I don't think so!
I truly am an activist on this issue to the extent that I can be at the age of 64, retired and poor. I might NOT have been this poor.. or retired this early, were it not for throat cancer and an economy totally ruined .. NOT by the Democrats but by the conservative bankers and insurance companies... and a government over-committed to military might as the solution to the nation's debts and troubles.
In any case, if anyone is going to be taken "behind the shed" and "taught a lesson" .. I do believe it will be someone else... and perhaps by me, rather than thee... Gentlemen!

over committed to military? ha! Please, speak that of which you know. I know what the DOD budget is now, and I know first hand, we should not be cutting down on funding. Not only do we need a government that prioritized by defense, if not for the level of defense now, do you honestly think that we would be discussing healthcare right now? Also, the DOD is Americas largest employer, so you fight your own statements when you say if it werent for a government committed to the military, the economy wouldnt be ruined. Yea, just take out the company with the most employees, brilliant.
And just a question, were you or are you a smoker? If so, I dont think you can push blame on "cancer", For what you might not have been through. If not, and you honestly dont think you contributed to getting cancer, than I am sorry for the privious statement. Either way, its good knowing that another life has prevailed against cancer. I have 2 family members with colon cancer. I agree with some of what you have been posting, and everyone has the freedom to have their opinions, thanks to the military.
Bayfia12213 KAT Elite
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Number One: I am not now, nor have I ever been a smoker. My throat cancer cause was never determined, but I suspect that one major element in the process was the extreme amount of stress I was living with in my last job - where they were trying everything in their power to convince me to quit the job, so they didn't have to lay me off and pay for my unemployment insurance. I hung on like grim death (and it nearly killed me) until they did lay me off. And they paid my unemployment insurance for almost 2 years afterwards! Also, I am quite allergic to cigarette smoke (and was married for 4 years to a heavy smoker. MISERY... ended in 1999. Passive smoke is deadly, as you are probably aware.
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Number Two: My comments about our Defense budget here in the USA were not, in any way, meant to suggest that I think the US Government should totally discontinue it's commitment to Defense. That would be insane. However, I do believe we cannot "save the world" and some of our actions in the Middle East are likely to fail, likely to result in unnecessary deaths for more American troops, and likely to result in greater expenses for this country than we can A) afford or B) need.
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I believe the US needs to be focusing on rebuilding our infrastructure (our roads, our bridges, our hospitals, our schools) and hiring people who can & will do those things.
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Less is more.... less military spending, less DoD employees who are hired thru the Federal employment system (a dinosaur if ever there was one, and a slow one at that)(and prone to incredible cronyism!~!) could easily be transferred to more hiring of citizens to rebuild our roads, our bridges, our hospitals, our jails, our schools!
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Closing one door is NOT an absolute ... it opens others doors to different opportunities.. desparately needed employment of more of our people - and desparately needed infrastructure improvements to keep us safe and alive.\//
I am the daughter of a career Naval officer (who then went from Navy to the Army Map Service - buried in Arlington National Cemetary.
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I am the sister-in-law to a career Naval officer (now retired). So I believe any misplaced assumption that I don't appreciate what our armed forces do for us, or understand what they are doing, should be at least partly mitigated here.
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I am grateful for the sacrifices and the protection offered by our military - but that does not negate the fact that we cannot spend ALL our money on Defense related issues. We MUST refocus ourselves to recover what was once great about our country - good roads, good hospitals, good bridges.. and jobs for the majority of us!
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Sacrifices must be made to do this - and the military establishment is NOT EXEMPT from making them. For our government to be investing MILLIONS of dollars on research and development of more and better war machinery, and housing/feeding a standing Army in a country where we certainly are not wanted (at least by the government there) a great personal risk is a poor investment of our limited national funds.

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zeke2341534 Torrent Helper
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everyone in this world should have health care period.dizzydizzy
ventanger19 User
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everyone in this world should have health care period.dizzydizzy

And we should have flying cars and zero calorie cake and robot hookers! YAYYYYY!!!
artl1734 Super User
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Ok why should everyone have health insurance? If one of the everyone cannot afford to have it, who should give it to them. Does the gigantic and gigantically growing government debt come in to play? Remember that the government really doesn't have any money.

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